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Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 08, 2008    01:32:04 PM »

This is not good.

But the worst news is not in the stock market.  It is in fact in some of the other indicators in the market which were indicating potential capital flight, along with still-extreme levels of stress.

I must caution everyone - if you are not prepared for six months to two years of unemployment, you need to be.  If you are dependent on credit to survive (that is, if you couldn't make it without your credit cards) you need to fix that now.

Like today now.

Several times I have said "raise cash, get out of debt, be prepared."

I must reiterate this advice and emphasize it, as we may see a bond market dislocation and concurrent stock market crash at any time, without warning.  It could be as early as today, in fact.

No, what happened the last three days isn't a crash, although it has now hit my full "bear market" target - 1070 - and in fact exceeded it.

Unfortunately what happened the last three days forces me to reset that target to the 2003 lows, and perhaps as low as four hundred on the S&P 500, 4000 on the DOW.

Needless to say if that happens it will be on the back of an economic catastrophe of a scale similar to the 1930s.

Bernanke's latest load of crap with an "SIV" for commercial paper is just another example of "more of the same" stupidity. 

Bernanke and Paulson need to be indicted and jailed for criminal negligence (at best) and put in the stocks where the people can serve up some rotten tomatoes.

This evening we were "treated" to both political candidates shooting their mouths off on matters economic, but saying nothing of substance.  Neither candidate was willing to admit the truth - that this "bailout" hadn't worked, that in fact the market had crashed by 15% since it was voted on, and that there is a zero chance of it having any positive impact on one American household.

But no, not even the "moderator" was willing to ask those tough questions, nor was anyone present.

These "debates" are a sham, a fraud and a gigantic waste of time.

Never mind that McCain embarrassed himself by claiming to be a "maverick" and "against pork", when he had just gotten done voting for over $150 billion of it in the Bailout Bill - pork that was not present in the original house version.

Was that claim of being "against pork" good for a "no" vote?  Nope.  He voted yes, as did Obama.

To those who dismissed the six petitions (you can go over to http://supportedthebailout.org and see the old ones) over the last year, how do you feel about it now?

To those who said that "subprime was contained", how contained is it now?

To those who said that deterioration in consumer credit wasn't going to be a big deal, would you like to revisit that belief?

To those who said that "the nation would not have a recession", do you have any regrets, apologies, or perhaps an outright retraction?

To those who told people to buy buy buy all the way down, how do you feel now that they've lost 30% of their money?

To those politicians from both parties who voted for the ESSA on the claim that it would "stabilize markets", can you show me where it has been, in fact, stabilized?  If this is "stable" I'm somewhat curious as to your definition of "unstable".

There is chatter circulating, apparently, that "global equity markets will be closed after the emergency G7 meeting this weekend."  That ought to induce confidence - just ask the Russians or Indonesians, both of whom have tried this and it has resulted in an instantaneous crash when they reopened (the Indonesian market was just closed AGAIN this evening, after literally imploding - down by more than 10% - within an hour of starting to trade.)

This is no longer a US problem, but the United States continues to refuse to lead.  We continue to "trust" the idiot savants Bernanke and Paulson, both of whom have sung the same song since this crisis began more than a year ago, have been wrong 100% of the time, and yet have found an ear in Congress repeatedly willing to listen to and follow their insanity.

By allowing this action and indeed following the advice of these two each and every one of the 535 members of that body has taken unto themselves the responsibility for the calamity that now faces American investors and the public, as our economic system literally "folds back" and consumes itself.  Americans will not be able to retire and have no economic security, and now are losing their jobs in increasing numbers.  This will continue.

For more than a year I have tried to get the attention of Congress with petitions, phone calls and faxes.  I have been ignored, as have others who have been consistently right in our expectations and beliefs, including "Mish" Shedlock, Nouriel Roubini, Charles Hugh Smith and others.  Over 200 degreed economists urged that the "Bailout Bill" not be passed as submitted, including two Nobel Lauretes; all were ignored.

The people of this nation have sat on their hands and watched American Idol, now turning into the NFL, while lapping up the slop from Paulson, Bernanke and Bush about how the "economy is fundamentally strong", instead of showing up in Washington DC to protest or flooding the fax and phone lines demanding that Congress act to reign in the fraudsters.

Let me know how "fundamentally strong" the economy is when you're walking the unemployment line and waiting for your turn at the soup kitchen for something to eat.

Entitlements?  Forget 'em.  They're gone.  Social Security?  Medicare?  Done.  Not today, but in the not-distant future.  China, having gotten its money from the $700 billion "bailout", will ditch our Treasuries and refuse to buy more, as they will no more need to sterilize export dollars as our economy collapses.  We in turn will be left to twist. 

We deserve it, because we could have (but didn't) stand up to their demands that we cover a private dispute instead of handing over $700 billion we don't have.  When (not if) the foreign flow of funds inward disappears due to the lack of need for these nations to recycle dollars, we will suddenly find that we have a nearly $800 billion a year hole in our federal budget - a hole that can only be filled by chopping Social Security, Medicare and the Military.  Congratulations Congress (and America in general); you didn't really think you'd get away with that, did you?

George W. Bush will go down in history as the President who held the office while we drove our nation's financial system off the cliff, laughing all the while about flipping houses.  And despite his protests to the contrary, the history books will record that it was his administration that removed the 12:1 leverage limits, sued New York to prevent them from clamping down on predatory lending, and willfully stuck its head in the sand while Bear Stearns prepared to blow up, never mind ignoring the problem after Bear detonated in February.

Henry Paulson will go down in history as the Treasury Secretary who sold out our nation to the Chinese and London Bankers, then fled the country with $500 million he "earned" creating and selling the very credit instruments that later blew up and sunk the nation.

The members of the House Financial Services Committee, the Senate Banking Committee and the Joint Economic Committee will each have special places reserved in the history books for refusing to deal with Ben Bernanke's raw power grab after Bear Stearns, an act that will ultimately be judged to be the single most important element of the crisis, as it forever put the market in a mood to expect "rule changes" at any time, precipitously damaging trust and liquidity.

The "no short" rule will ultimately be cited as the reason that the market crashed, being that there were no shorts to cover and thus hundreds of stocks, on that fateful day, went "no bid" and had their prices collapse to zero - all at once.

Oil will collapse in price to $20/bbl.  Unfortunately nobody will have any money to buy gasoline, or a car, so it won't matter.  As in The Depression millions of automobiles will be scrapped after being abandoned by their owners for lack of insurance and registration fee money.  Cheap scooters will become the dominant form of transportation for those with jobs, as they will be all most people can afford.

As credit collapses distribution of food and other essentials will break down.  Unable to access credit, trucking companies will be unable to get goods to market.  The current distribution system for food requires travel of over 500 miles from production to consumption; this is untenable in a market where stable credit is unavailable.  Food distribution will be severely impacted and in some areas may break down below critical levels.

Unemployment will reach 25% within two years.  Median income will fall by 30% nationally.  Foreclosures will reach 20 million homes.  The government will step in with HOLC-style remediation but it won't matter - the unemployed won't be able to pay irrespective of the price.

House prices will fall to well under $100,000 nationally on a median basis but with lending all but non-existent you'll need 50% down.  A few people will make out like bandits near the bottom, being able to buy up homes for $10,000 each in blocks of 10 at a time - for cash.  60% of America will be renters; nearly half of all homeowners will ultimately lose their homes to foreclosure.

Civil unrest will break out in major cities when incomes fall but the cost of food and essential services fail to come down materially, leaving millions of Americans hungry, broke and homeless.  Unlike in the 1930s America will not quietly stand in soup lines - instead they will riot, loot and burn.  The National Guard will be called up but will find it impossible to exert meaningful control without shutting down all commerce in the affected areas. The decision will be made to cordon off the cities and deny entry to anyone who does not live in that specific neighborhood, essentially shutting down commercial activity.  GDP will fall by 30%.

The S&P 500 will fall to 150 and flatline, a 90% loss.  CNBC and Bloomberg will cease broadcasting.  Volume will fall to 10% of former levels.

Bleak outlook? 

Yep.

Quite possible?

Yep.

Can it be stopped?

Yes, but not for much longer. 

The markets are perilously close to a tipping point where they will collapse, after which all of the above will come to pass, and Congressional action (or inaction) will be irrelevant. 

Congress will then have to face the people, as will President Bush and his Cabinet, and may God have mercy on our Republican form of government, because history shows that when government mismanages things to this degree and refuses to respond to the will of the people, a "messiah" generally appears with a "solution" - but there will be "compromises."

Like your freedom.

To fix the problem trust must be restored.  To restore trust you must stop the lying, expose the liars, prosecute and jail them all, and stop changing the rules in the middle of the game. 

This must happen now.  Today.  Immediately.  Not tomorrow, not next week, not after a series of hearings.

Right now.

Market participants must be able to know that when they engage in a transaction it will be transparent, handled fairly, and their rights will be protected.

Our politicians must stop demanding the impossible - that home prices "levitate."  House prices cannot be maintained at more than 3x incomes - it simply can't be done.  We must encourage home prices to contract to sustainable, affordable levels quickly and efficiently.

Mortgages must return to 30 year fixed notes, 20% down, no more than 36% DTI.  No government-linked paper in any GSE may issue outside these guidelines.  We must reliquify the mortgage market, and this is the only way to do it - by writing only sustainable mortgages.

Strong consumer protection laws must be written that bar negative balance auto and home loans.  The practice of "rolling over" an old car loan into a new one, producing an instant 20% or more deficiency against the vehicles value, must end.

Usury laws must be re-imposed, limiting credit card and other consumer loan interest to no more than a reasonable spread over funding costs.  Yes, this will limit credit to less-worthy borrowers.  So be it.  Unbridled credit got us here, and we must prevent it from happening again.

The excess, unsustainable debt in the system must be defaulted.  Whether held by corporations or individuals, it must be purged from the system.  Those firms and individuals that are bankrupt must be so declared and their assets liquidated, so they can start over and the market can clear.

People will say that what I ask is unreasonable, unable to be achieved, or "needs study."

You're free to study all you want, but if these actions are not taken immediately, right now, today, the above forecast will come to fruition. 

You are seeing the global credit markets unravel in front of your eyes, and it is happening precisely because the fraud, avarice and outright theft has gone unpunished and left in place to siphon off wealth from the average American for more than 20 years, and our President, in that environment, went on national television and threatened the world with a global Depression unless his Treasury Secretary got a $700 billion blank check.

The markets, correctly perceiving there was a problem, did exactly what they did when this same gambit was run during the Fannie and Freddie debacle - they called the bluff.

The check is now on the table and we have but two choices - either pay it or suffer the consequences.

           


Source: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 08, 2008    03:09:10 PM »


Karl is upset, eh?

ah, no worries, the dow is up today chuckle


he's getting more woowoo

one might think he was mainlining glp  chuckle


anyway, his scenario seems about right... and there doesn't seem to be much out there anymore that can stop it

the power players, the Club of Five, those guys are all grabbing at what they can and frak anyone else


I wonder though if there will be a dramatic "point to" date coming up --maybe several of them, several really bad days that will just add up


the InternetS have created a new problem that doesn't get msm attention... the silent bank run... the rapid movement of money online.  For example, I had no idea that 16.9 billion had been transferred out of WaMu days before it went down until my accounting friend told me about it and I keep an eye on the news. 

sure there may be some really really bad days, but it kind of looks like this is shaping up to be like that Chinese water torture technique...the constant slow drip of water on the forehead, in this case the constant-- everyday--- some more bad news until it just slowly (over the next few months) just disintegrates.



over the next few weeks more peope will lose their jobs; food banks will get more and more busy; discretionary spending will grind to a halt; people's retirement accounts will dwindle down and down

more people will start to show signs of depression and some will just stop watching (One of the nurses at the hospital yesterday said she just can't even stand to pay attention to it anymore)


I'm trying to pour a round of votives, so I'll be back with more tidbits of my  The cow wisdom



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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:23:05 AM »
funny,


 i went to put a post over there into breaking news and when you hit the reply button a page comes up explaing that you will be banned if you make any woowoo posts.

 i have five posts over there now.
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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:26:42 AM »



that is funny because ticker forum has become major  woo hoo!


does that happen in every section or just breaking news?   I think I remember seeing somewhere that they only want certain things in their breaking news subforum

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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:34:54 AM »
well, one of there breaking news tonight is " cold northeast winter predicted"


 so i can see how he gets pretty mad. seeing it's a stock market and money forum

 and could anyone really cal that breaking.

 but, i think what really gets him going is the political posts insted of the money posts.

so, now he's in a bind because it's hard to tell the difference.   evry word out of barny and nancy and paulso and bernanke and paul could be considered breaking news.

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my posts over there have all been more background then woo woo.

i posted a story about china being pissed at america about taiwan on a thread about how china didn't buy some us treasuries. stuff like that.
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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:36:08 AM »


the sirens are blaring

Glenn Beck, a Mormon, ex-alcoholic (this is how he describes himself...no aspersions  are being cast by me) with an hour show on CNN is talking death of the dollar, one world currency, NWO

even Suze was saying just tonight on anderson cooper that this would take years to work out, that there will be bread lines and lots of people living in their cars

so many people watch Suze, I bet her words are keeping a couple million people awake late into the wee hours of the morning


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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:37:43 AM »


you have to be a member over there, don't you?
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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:44:05 AM »
i guy i work with tonights wife called. she was afraid to go home. There was an home inavasion in his neigborhood. The woman living in the house got cut by a knife.
he is worried about it happening more and more. He was the first to blame it on the economy.


i later overheard two guys debating weather they should buy guns or not.




and later i heard that one of the big bosses sons got laid off.


but still, one guy gave me a mouth full of crap when i brought up forclosures. he just don't get anything. He seems to think that his retirement money is insured in a way that even if it goes down in value that he gets to retire at the highest price it was at.
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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:51:10 AM »


the last people to figure it all out are going to be the angriest because they will be the least prepped and definitely NOT MENTALLY prepared.

I'm reading alot about folks trying to mentally prep, mostly posts about trying to figure out what that really means

one common point: alot of the posters say, don't talk about it with people anymore.  (I think it can be really energy zapping to do that with certain people)...


use that energy to talk to yourself and prepare yourself.  I think this means getting all the info you can, think and plan what you would do in various scenarios so they don't shock you if they happen.  Spend your energy taking care of yourself and your own in all the ways you can.  Be vigilant.  Be prudent.  Hunker down and don't give people ammunition to use against you.

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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:53:07 AM »
i guy i work with tonights wife called. she was afraid to go home. There was an home inavasion in his neigborhood. The woman living in the house got cut by a knife.
he is worried about it happening more and more. He was the first to blame it on the economy.


i later overheard two guys debating weather they should buy guns or not.




and later i heard that one of the big bosses sons got laid off.


but still, one guy gave me a mouth full of crap when i brought up forclosures. he just don't get anything. He seems to think that his retirement money is insured in a way that even if it goes down in value that he gets to retire at the highest price it was at.

yes, I expect crime to go up.  Be vigilant.  Don't let people know what you have.


that would be a great insurance policy... I wouldn't trust many insurance policies these days especially if they are 'insured' financials  chuckle i don't know just sayin
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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    12:58:21 AM »
oh, and that pile of peoples lives out front across the street, now has plywood signs pained on them " FREE".

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Re: Time Is Up Congress - And America - Karl Denninger
« Oct 09, 2008    01:08:05 AM »


Looks like Boeing talks are going to begin again.  this area needs that strike to be over now... I hope they work it out


garage sale signs everywhere last weekend



I walk around the yard several times a day and keep an eye on what's going on in the hood

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